Bundy Again

It looks like the Feds are getting serious about dealing with Bunkerville (Nev.) rancher Cliven Bundy’s failure to comply with court orders to remove his cattle from public lands.

Bundy, a descendant of the Mormon pioneers who settled in the area in the 19th Century, holds that the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) cannot tell him where to graze his cattle. But the feds have the court order, and it is not a matter of will they enforce it, but when.

The BLM must notify Bundy about a general time in which they will remove the cattle. Bundy continually shouts that he will do whatever he must to protect his life, liberty and property. Unfortunately for Bundy his cattle are not on his property. They are grazing on the “public’s” property.

Bundy contends that the federal government lacks jurisdiction over the land where his cattle graze. The land belongs to the state, he contends. Federal judges disagree but Bundy will not accept their ruling that the land belongs to the people through the Federal government.

While the Feds must notify Bundy about the general time, they will remove the cattle, the law does not require them to notify him at his home. They could notify him while he is sitting in jail thinking about the rights of the federal government to protect the property of all the people against abuses by cowboys who have spent too much time in the sun.

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  1. King Curmudgeon says

    It’s truly amazing how concerned you people are about cows while the country has been infested by 12,000,000 ILLEGAL(NOT undocumented)aliens.But then COWS don’t vote.Too bad.There would be no problem if they voted Democrat.

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    • John Williams says

      Yes, many of us DO care about someone who has disobeyed federal law for over 20 years and the support and encouragement he gets from local elected officials. You know, those people who are supposed to be law-abiding, not siding with law breakers or worse, breaking the law themselves. Many of them think that they are/should be “above the law”, but they are starting to be held accountable for their actions. U.S. Attorney, State Attorney General, IRS Inspector General, State Court Judges, and Federal Judges are all now in the mix. It really is too bad that these enforcement agencies are needed to enforce the laws.

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      • King Curmudgeon says

        Are you SERIOUS? Why don’t you show the same out rage about 12 million ILLEGAL people who have “disobeyed federal law for over 20 years” And way longer? It is YOU and the Democrats that are “siding with law breakers or worse, breaking the law themselves”.Like Sanctuary Cities(Democrat Rules)?

        Like I said,If cows voted Democrat there would be no problem!!! What’s sad is you can’t differ between illegal aliens and an American feeding his cattle.You Feel the illegals have more rights than an American citizen.

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        • John Williams says

          I AM outraged about the way the Republican Party has filibustered and otherwise done everything they can to stop comprehensive immigration reform. They, of course, completely ignore the facts and keep screaming the same old refrain :”Secure the Borders”. Another simplistic view about a very complex issue. Of course the Democrats have increased border security and the funding for it far higher than ever before in history,but it is never good enough for the “R”s. And, they also conveniently ignore the FACT that during the Obama administration the “net” migration has been negative – more people going OUT than coming IN! Pay no attention to the FACTS, just keep screaming about the “others”.

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          • King Curmudgeon says

            Blah,Blah Blah! Only 12 million more to go.

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          • King Curmudgeon says

            Come to think of it John,The only people that you should be outraged with is your own Party. All this Faux anger is a direct result of the’D’s not already passing Reform.They had the House,Senate and White House. And before you start your BS about them not being able to pass Reform because of the ‘R’s,they got obamacare passed with no ‘R’ votes. I will maintain my opinion that the ‘D’s didn’t pass Reform because they couldn’t use it in a blame game futher down the road.

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        • The Bishop says

          Yeah those who hired them should get the money back from these lawbreakers. Its a good thing that they have not had to pay them any benefits like medicare and social security. But they get around the system with food stamps and emergency room services cheating our real taxpayers out of money they should not have gotten. At least the free enterprise system is not paying them minimum wages and not having to worry about OSHA and other laws that apply to us lawabiding citizens.

          Will the real lawbreakers please stand up!

          Most people unfortunately are too dumb to know what really is going on here. And the rest are laughing all the way to the bank and want us to pay for a wall?

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  2. Leo says

    Cliven Bundy should be in jail. And I want him to pay us back for all those years of fees he didn’t pay.

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  3. Bon Kruder says

    Nevada is an interesting place. I think it’s almost more LDS influenced than Utah at times. VVT gave him an almost affectionate article. I loved the title, sounded like a movie coming to theaters near you. This is the most ridiculous place to graze (not raise) cattle.
    Once again, enforcing certain laws in Nevada is not happening without a lot of elbow grease. If at all.

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  4. Bob says

    America is a country of laws, not men. We may think the wild west of yesteryear was a heroic place but in truth, history shows it was full of conniving, thieving, deceitful scoundrels, thieves and killers. Cliven Bundy wants us to believe he is some kind of rebel but he is merely an old, doddering, misguided thief. Obey the law like all the rest of us. His cattle should be rounded up and he should go to jail.

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    • Bon Kruder says

      Bob,
      I loved your comments. But jail? That just cost tax payers more money. Perhaps he should get the extremely long overdue grazing rights bill and be forced to pay it or, maybe, repossess his tractor ? So … What’s gonna happen to the repossessed cows? Crazy.
      The whole situation .

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      • The Bishop says

        Have you seen his tractors or his land.. no one would want them. Even the cows probably refused to graze anywhere near his home. Well maybe it is in keeping within the pioneer tradition but I doubt that such distructive behavior toward the land is someting that even the elders and pioneers would deem to be a good example of proper land stewardship.

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  5. Shirley says

    The pioneers in this town are snobby and pretentious. I agree with Bon. Make him pay his past due fees, just like the IRS would make us do if we owed taxes.

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    • King Curmudgeon says

      If it weren’t for the pioneers in this town,there would be no Mesquite and none of you would be here to complain about it. Damn!those pioneers.

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      • Bob says

        King,
        You are absolutely right. I think when people complain about the pioneers they are not talking about the decent hardworking neighbor who helped build Mesquite. They are talking about the scammers like Cresent Hardy, rip off Randy Ence, Cliven Bundy, John Lonetti, and many others who chose to fill their pockets instead of caring you their neighbors.

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        • The Bishop says

          How about the decent hard working neighbors that are now building Mesquite. I see them start at 7am and not stop until 7pm. Nobody pays any attention when these neighbors get cheated out of a decent living and treated like slaves. We call on other nations to provide basic human rights and we are ready to deny that to own neighbors in Mesquite and nearby Scenic.

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      • John Williams says

        Yes, and all those pioneer families would still be trying to scratch out a subsistence trying to farm and ranch in the desert. Instead, they are wealthy from selling their land and water to us darn “outsiders”.

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          • John Williams says

            And you can’t really say that “If it weren’t for the pioneers in this town,there would be no Mesquite and none of you would be here to complain about it. Damn!those pioneers.”. That is simply foolish. If the pilgrims didn’t settle in America would it remain empty? Your premise if incorrect on its face.

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          • King Curmudgeon says

            Congratulations John! I think you’re one of the few to say settled and not stole.

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  6. Joan Blewett says

    Mr. Bundys’ continued tilting at windmills is like the House voting to repeal Obamacare 51 times. He won’t win this and continues to jeopardize his herd. Why? Time to make a deal Mr. B.

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  7. Fed up with pioneers says

    You can be guaranteed that if you were behind on fees you owed the IRS, they would hound you forever until they got their money. I hope the BLM is just as diligent with collecting OUR money. As for Bundy, he is just another Buncoville crook.

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  8. Shirley says

    If I were a member of the LDS, I would be madder than heck at all my LDS brothers who cheat and steal and make all the rest of us look like cult members. We need to denounce LDS members who take the wrong path and label them for what they are.

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  9. Jerry Smith says

    The BLM has attempted a number of times to remove grazing cattle owned by Mr. Bundy, beginning in the late 90’s and continuing to the present time. Mostly to avoid possible conflict and cost did the BLM back down from enforcing the law.
    This is not just a local concern. Mr. Bundy is a case of many cattle ranchers that has covered the American landscape for generations. In fact, cattle ranching was the largest business in America in 1900. Decades of intensive cattle operations, clearing vast forests of oxygen producing trees, grazing lush prairies and grasslands into vast deserts with massive loss of topsoil. Land managers understand the damage grazing causes. Land and water resources is now in a very serious condition. Most grazing animals have to be fed huge amounts of irrigated feedstuffs to supplement their diet, due to such poor land resources. Cattle pollute the land, surface and groundwater, rendering many underground aquifers unfit for domestic use.
    Raising cattle for human consumption is not a very wise choice anyway. Chairman of nutrition at Harvard, Dr. William Willet, M.D. said the amount of red meat eaten should be “0”….
    My suggestion for Mr. Bundy, please use your prime land, grow abundant organic crops; fruit, vegetables, beans, corn
    and more of those delicious melons you sell in the fall.
    A whole food, plant-based diet is ideal for our health as well as the health of the land….

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  10. JOEY says

    If this tax cheat stealer was not a pioneer being assisted by his buddy
    Pioneers- hardy,etc – this punk would be in jail.
    Figures the king is willing to let this cheat slide – bundy is lily white.

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  11. JOEY says

    King- not attacking at all- just my opinion and find it odd that you would be sticking up for this tax and fees cheat.
    What does illegal aliens have to do with bundy?
    Ahh,the old king bait and switch- the tea party – republicans taught you well.
    I know king ,stick up for the lily white guy at any cost ,and attack the
    Minorities ,now that is our king.- lol

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    • King Curmudgeon says

      Only an Idiot could get that I’m sticking up for Bundy. Why don’t you have someone explain the conversation to you.

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  12. Janet says

    I think its a question of priorities. Has Bundy violated federal laws- sounds like it. Has he failed to pay fees to the feds – sounds like it. Are his cattle illegally grazing on federal land- I guess so. Now, I’m a supporter of the Public Land Transfer efforts, so I believe there is some inherent value in Bundy’s fight and his argument over land ownership- but, setting that aside. Are we (the US writ large) in a position to spend time, money and man-hours to round up some cows? I believe in the rule of law, but at what cost? We have “bigger fish to fry” both domestically and internationally. While I don’t agree with King’s rant, he has one point- our priorities seem a little off kilter on this one.

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    • John Williams says

      The process allows for the BLM to sell the cattle to pay the costs of the action. If Bundy wants to claim the cattle after the gov’t has rounded them up, he will have to pay the costs. Next time you get pulled over and issued a citation for going 5 miles over the speed limit, why don’t you try out that “priorities” argument. Or, using your same logic, why don’t you go over to a national park and set up a big tent to manufacture products for your personal “for-profit” business. Either you actually believe in the rule of law, or you don’t. This man has been flagrantly violating federal law for 20 years while damaging OUR property for his own personal benefit. Enough is Enough.

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